in the meantime, roth, the ceo gives a session, an off the record session, or a session where he bashed 15 people. and said you know what? we're going to miss the numbers really big. apple is not nortel, but it trades like those that do and people get into the rut of saying i got to sell, everybody else is selling. this has happened before but just not with a company we respect like apple. tim cook, i'm going to find tim cook and say, listen, man, death cross, doesn't that trump itv? maybe you sell -- maybe you replace dell and hewlett packard, and i say chief, because you got the chief the guy, what about the death cross? david, the death cross versus -- come on, partner. >> it says sarcasm at the bottom of the screen. >> tim cook, you can tell at the board meeting, you know that he usually presented charts on the product. he's got the stock chart and he shows you where the death cross, he's probably into macd. the trend? i can tell you right now, he's getting deep into the world of mark number, he's doing some of the finest technical work. it's no longer technical work about the it th